Peter Laufer, author of The Dangerous World of Butterflies, Inside Talk Radio and many other books, and musical satirist Roy Zimmerman are guests. Laufer is a colorful writer who takes us deep into the buttefly zone–conservationists, exploiters and smugglers who prize these beautiful creatures–and we meet the cop and the smuggler he tracked and jailed. Laufer, a radio talk show host and program director, also offers comments on the current state of talk radio. Then Roy Zimmerman joins us and performs a new song about the politics of torture, “San Francisco Values”. www.royzimmerman.com